Anti-Surfer Targeting - Revision history

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2012-06-13T20:46:37Z

History of the idea

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Ceasar at 17:16, 1 April 2011

2011-04-01T17:16:34Z

Voidious: removing "Targeting" category

2007-11-29T15:05:22Z

removing "Targeting" category

Voidious: fixing typo, rewording

2007-11-28T14:06:03Z

fixing typo, rewording

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2007-11-28T04:04:35Z

making a revised page for this, think I'll still mark it "stub" for now...

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A style of [[targeting]] that focuses on hitting [[wave surfing]] (or other adaptive) movements. This is not a specific targeting algorithm; there are many different elements that can increase accuracy against wave surfers.

== History of the idea ==

When [[wave surfing]] was first becoming widespread, many believed that it wouldn't be long before a targeting system came along that could hit a wave surfer as easily as it could hit any other movement system that wasn't randomized; after all, wave surfing follows a specific algorithm to end up at the [[GuessFactor]] that it thinks is safest, so it should be possible to simply track the same information in a gun and shoot at the safest spots.

In practice, given all the variables involved in wave surfing movement algorithms, this is simply not the case: wave surfing movements are still the most effective form of [[1-vs-1]] movement against nearly every targeting system. (One notable exception is that [[anti-pattern matching]] can still be far more effective against [[pattern matching]] guns.) Every wave surfer uses different [[segments]], distancing, and [[wall smoothing]], and while there are some very common surfing algorithms, there is still much room for variation among them.

== Common elements in anti-surfer guns ==

While nobody has found a targeting method that hits a top wave surfer as well as it hits top [[random movement|random movements]], much progress has been made towards improving aim against wave surfers. Some elements of a gun that work well against wave surfing include:

* Rapid decay of data - Since a wave surfer changes its movement each time it is hit, data gathered earlier in the match gradually becomes less relevant to hitting the eenmy.
* Lower weighting of non-firing waves - Many guns fire [[waves]] every tick in order to gather as much information as possible. Since a wave surfer detects enemy fire and bases its entire movement system around where it will be when the wave (or bullet) hits, the data gathered by non-firing waves is much less relevant than against other movements.
* [[Pattern matching]] - While it is not as good as specifically tailored anti-surfer guns, pattern matching has always done relatively well against wave surfers by its very nature: wave surfing inherently simulates a gun that uses [[waves]] and/or [[GuessFactors]], so a targeting system that does not use either cannot be dodged as well.

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 When [[wave surfing]] was first becoming widespread, many believed that it wouldn't be long before a targeting system came along that could hit a wave surfer as easily as it could hit any other movement system that wasn't randomized. After all, wave surfing follows a specific algorithm to end up at the [[GuessFactor]] that it thinks is safest, so it should be possible to simply track the same information in a gun and shoot at the safest spots.
-In practice, given all the variables involved in wave surfing movement algorithms, this is simply not the case: wave surfing movements are still the most effective form of [[1-vs-1]] movement against nearly every targeting system. (One notable exception is that [[Anti-Pattern Matching|anti-pattern matching]] can still be far more effective against [[pattern matching]] guns.) Every wave surfer uses different attributes, distancing, and [[Wall Smoothing|wall smoothing]], and data decay. While there are some very common surfing algorithms, there is still much room for variation among them.
+In practice, given all the variables involved in wave surfing movement algorithms, this is simply not the case: wave surfing movements are still the most effective form of [[1-vs-1]] movement against nearly every targeting system. (One notable exception is that [[Anti-Pattern Matching|anti-pattern matching]] can still be far more effective against [[pattern matching]] guns.) Every wave surfer uses different attributes, distancing, [[Wall Smoothing|wall smoothing]], and data decay. While there are some very common surfing algorithms, there is still much room for variation among them.
 == Common elements in Anti-Surfer guns ==

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	* [[Pattern matching]] - While it is not as good as specifically tailored anti-surfer guns, pattern matching has always done relatively well against wave surfers by its very nature: wave surfing inherently simulates a gun that uses [[waves]] and/or [[GuessFactors]], so a targeting system that does not use either cannot be dodged as well.		* [[Pattern matching]] - While it is not as good as specifically tailored anti-surfer guns, pattern matching has always done relatively well against wave surfers by its very nature: wave surfing inherently simulates a gun that uses [[waves]] and/or [[GuessFactors]], so a targeting system that does not use either cannot be dodged as well.

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+A style of [[targeting]] that focuses on hitting [[wave surfing]] (or other adaptive) movements. This is not a specific targeting algorithm - there are many different elements that can increase accuracy against wave surfers.
 == History of the idea ==
-When [[wave surfing]] was first becoming widespread, many believed that it wouldn't be long before a targeting system came along that could hit a wave surfer as easily as it could hit any other movement system that wasn't randomized; after all, wave surfing follows a specific algorithm to end up at the [[GuessFactor]] that it thinks is safest, so it should be possible to simply track the same information in a gun and shoot at the safest spots.
+When [[wave surfing]] was first becoming widespread, many believed that it wouldn't be long before a targeting system came along that could hit a wave surfer as easily as it could hit any other movement system that wasn't randomized. After all, wave surfing follows a specific algorithm to end up at the [[GuessFactor]] that it thinks is safest, so it should be possible to simply track the same information in a gun and shoot at the safest spots.
-In practice, given all the variables involved in wave surfing movement algorithms, this is simply not the case: wave surfing movements are still the most effective form of [[1-vs-1]] movement against nearly every targeting system. (One notable exception is that [[anti-pattern matching]] can still be far more effective against [[pattern matching]] guns.) Every wave surfer uses different [[segments]], distancing, and [[wall smoothing]], and while there are some very common surfing algorithms, there is still much room for variation among them.
+In practice, given all the variables involved in wave surfing movement algorithms, this is simply not the case: wave surfing movements are still the most effective form of [[1-vs-1]] movement against nearly every targeting system. (One notable exception is that [[Anti-Pattern Matching|anti-pattern matching]] can still be far more effective against [[pattern matching]] guns.) Every wave surfer uses different attributes, distancing, and [[Wall Smoothing|wall smoothing]], and data decay. While there are some very common surfing algorithms, there is still much room for variation among them.
-== Common elements in anti-surfer guns ==
+== Common elements in Anti-Surfer guns ==
-While nobody has found a targeting method that hits a top wave surfer as well as it hits top [[random movement|random movements]], much progress has been made towards improving aim against wave surfers. Some elements of a gun that work well against wave surfing include:
+While nobody has found a targeting method that hits a top wave surfer as well as it hits top [[Random Movement|random movements]], much progress has been made towards improving aim against wave surfers. Some elements of a gun that work well against wave surfing include:
 * Rapid decay of data - Since a wave surfer changes its movement each time it is hit, data gathered gradually becomes less relevant to hitting the enemy as the match goes on.
 * Lower weighting of non-firing waves - Many guns fire [[waves]] every tick in order to gather as much information as possible. Since a wave surfer detects enemy fire and bases its entire movement system around where it will be when the wave (or bullet) hits, the data gathered by non-firing waves is much less relevant than against other movements.
 * [[Pattern matching]] - While it is not as good as specifically tailored anti-surfer guns, pattern matching has always done relatively well against wave surfers by its very nature: wave surfing inherently simulates a gun that uses [[waves]] and/or [[GuessFactors]], so a targeting system that does not use either cannot be dodged as well.
 {{Targeting Navbox}}
 [[Category:Advanced Targeting Strategies]]