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Hey, [[iiley]] - I have a question for you. If I have a bot in test that seems to do real well (about even) against [[Cigaret]] and [[CigaretBH]], but gets beaten really hard by [[Smoke]], what could that mean? What is my weakness? -- [[Kawigi]]

Oh,[[Smoke]],a old bot of mine,current version of [[Cigaret]] have a fault in fact,you may have seen it did very hard to beat [[Shera]],but the old versions eg 1.10 can beat it easily,What the differences?I think i cannot tell why it when i have not improved it,Although if you watching the performance of Shera you will konw.[[Smoke]]'s movement is similar to old [[Cigaret]]'s,so...I think its the same reason to your bot.You can have a try to the old version of Cigaret.The Point I mean the movement,[[Smoke]]'s movement is similar to Old Cigaret's.But all i said is my problem,sorry,your problem,your bot's weakness(how to improve you bot to beat Both Cigaret and Smoke),I have no idea,But i think you have to improve you bot's movement.(maybe you can send you bot to me,let me have a look ;]) -- [[iiley]]

I think it sounds like Kawigi needs to improve the gun. -- [[PEZ]]
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Hey iiley, you removed CigaretST, [[Ash]] and [[Yager]] from the RR@H. I can see why Yager would like a melee rumble, but the other two didn't exactly embarass themselves! Are you moving the test code from them into a new monster? -- [[PEZ]]

Yes,I will release a new bot based on CigaretST,but it is not a monster,it cannot beat Neo and [[VertiLeach]],but it can beat DT in 1000 rounds in my testing~;],i learned some from Andrew's Neo,so i removed CigaretST,and i removed [[Ash]] because I think i need to removed some old and not very good bot. --[[iiley]]

To me anything involving tobaco is monstrous. =) Good that you beat DT with it. Paul wanted the RoboRumble/PremierLeague to be some challenge to him. I can tell you how to beat VertiLeach as long as you don't tell anyone and don't use it in a mini. You know my e-mail address. =) -- [[PEZ]]

I released it,named [[Lacrimas]],It seems that the rumbles use short rounds battles,it is not advantaged for [[Lacrimass]] it learn slowly.~;[ and... I send a email to you PEZ. -- [[iiley]]

What? VertiLeach has a flaw? ;) Also, those bots are far from old and not very good; all 3 of them outranked [[Fractal]]... -- [[Vuen]]

Just don't tell anyone. =) It's good some of us making lots of bots clean out some of them from time to time. A bot need to have a reason for existance to consume CPU power in the RR@H I think. I cleaned out quite a few of my bots a while ago. -- [[PEZ]]

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Hey iiley, do you mind if when I release the next version of [[Fractal]] I release alongside it a version with Fractal's gun and Cigaret's movement in the wiki package? I want a competitive comparison of it's new gun compared to some of the other bots out there, and I figure that a common movement (ala Griffon, Cigaret, Sedan) would be the best way to compare. Of course, these are all minibots, and Fractal is far from it... -- [[Vuen]]

Just to make it crystal clear. Griffon does not share the movement with Cigaret and Sedan. I know you don't mean that, but someone reading it might misunderstand. Anyways, ask [[Jim]] too if you can borrow his movement, then you can compare your gun with Jekyl's and Griffon's. Good if iiley doesn't check up on the wiki in a while. -- [[PEZ]]

OK,nice to see [[Fractal]]'s new gun.Sorry that i had not visit wiki page for days since i have not finish my project.Busy days these days.~;[ -- [[iiley]]

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[[Iiley]] - I've noticed for some time here that [[SonAsh]] gets destroyed by [[AresHaiku]]. Any idea why that happens? Most of your waves should be hitting in the same place against it, and I'd expect that it moves fairly predictably, so I don't see how you'd miss it unless you had a bug in your aiming that made you fire head-on or something. -- [[Kawigi]]

[[SonAsh]] did not use waves,it use a symbol pattern matching.Maybe there is some bug or weakness,i will check it.Thanx [[Kawigi]] told me that,i didnot know it lost to [[AresHaiku]] as it is very predictable for PM. -- [[iiley]]

That's what I figured. I also figured out that FunkyMusic had a bug that made it lose to AresHaiku, too, but then looked to see that FemtoAsh and SonAsh don't use enough of FunkyMusic's aiming code to have the same bug. Actually, I noticed that you were pattern-matching on heading and velocity (as opposed to heading change and velocity or lateral velocity). That's another thing that didn't occur to me. It might not be as strong as using heading change because it's less likely to get a good match, but it's a lot simpler to code. -- [[Kawigi]]

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Nice to see you have Robocode plans again iiley! Wonderful painting. Did you paint it? Looking forward to meet [[Tide]]. -- [[PEZ]]

Ha[[User:Voidious|Voidious]]Thank you,you paid attention to us so suddenly.~;] Yes,i painted it,But it is not for [[Tide]],if it is,i would paste it to the page of it.I think you mean Tide not Tibe. ~;] -- [[iiley]]

I'm always looking for signs that you're back iiley. =) OK, so [[Tide]] then. Is it a tidal wave aimed to crush the surfers? -- [[PEZ]]

Thank you, PEZ,i was planning to back robocoding for a long time,then now i come back,be very very excited.But dot worry,[[Tide]] is not strong enough,surfers are improved for a long time,it is adult and gentler and very strong,I lost too much about this.for the first, [[Tide]] will use the similar technic(Also similar to [[Lacrimas]]'s technic).I am testing the first robot of [[Tide]],maybe it can be upload tonight.~;] -- [[iiley]]

If this bot started out as [[Lacrimas]] then it will not be long until it goes to the top. [[Lacrimas]] is one tough bot to beat. -- [[jim]]

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-Hey, [[iiley]] - I have a question for you.  If I have a bot in test that seems to do real well (about even) against [[Cigaret]] and [[CigaretBH]], but gets beaten really hard by [[Smoke]], what could that mean?  What is my weakness? -- [[Kawigi]]
+Hey, [[User:Iiley|iiley]] - I have a question for you.  If I have a bot in test that seems to do real well (about even) against [[Cigaret]] and [[CigaretBH]], but gets beaten really hard by [[Smoke]], what could that mean?  What is my weakness? -- [[User:Kawigi|Kawigi]]
-Oh,[[Smoke]],a old bot of mine,current version of [[Cigaret]] have a fault in fact,you may have seen it did very hard to beat [[Shera]],but the old versions eg 1.10 can beat it easily,What the differences?I think i cannot tell why it when i have not improved it,Although if you watching the performance of Shera you will konw.[[Smoke]]'s movement is similar to old [[Cigaret]]'s,so...I think its the same reason to your bot.You can have a try to the old version of Cigaret.The Point I mean the movement,[[Smoke]]'s movement is similar to Old Cigaret's.But all i said is my problem,sorry,your problem,your bot's weakness(how to improve you bot to beat Both Cigaret and Smoke),I have no idea,But i think you have to improve you bot's movement.(maybe you can send you bot to me,let me have a look ;]) -- [[iiley]]
+Oh,[[Smoke]],a old bot of mine,current version of [[Cigaret]] have a fault in fact,you may have seen it did very hard to beat [[Shera]],but the old versions eg 1.10 can beat it easily,What the differences?I think i cannot tell why it when i have not improved it,Although if you watching the performance of Shera you will konw.[[Smoke]]'s movement is similar to old [[Cigaret]]'s,so...I think its the same reason to your bot.You can have a try to the old version of Cigaret.The Point I mean the movement,[[Smoke]]'s movement is similar to Old Cigaret's.But all i said is my problem,sorry,your problem,your bot's weakness(how to improve you bot to beat Both Cigaret and Smoke),I have no idea,But i think you have to improve you bot's movement.(maybe you can send you bot to me,let me have a look ;]) -- [[User:Iiley|iiley]]
-I think it sounds like Kawigi needs to improve the gun. -- [[PEZ]]
+I think it sounds like Kawigi needs to improve the gun. -- [[User:PEZ|PEZ]]
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-Hey iiley, you removed CigaretST, [[Ash]] and [[Yager]] from the RR@H. I can see why Yager would like a melee rumble, but the other two didn't exactly embarass themselves! Are you moving the test code from them into a new monster? -- [[PEZ]]
+Hey iiley, you removed CigaretST, [[Ash]] and [[Yager]] from the RR@H. I can see why Yager would like a melee rumble, but the other two didn't exactly embarass themselves! Are you moving the test code from them into a new monster? -- [[User:PEZ|PEZ]]
-Yes,I will release a new bot based on CigaretST,but it is not a monster,it cannot beat Neo and [[VertiLeach]],but it can beat DT in 1000 rounds in my testing~;],i learned some from Andrew's Neo,so i removed CigaretST,and i removed [[Ash]] because I think i need to removed some old and not very good bot.  --[[iiley]]
+Yes,I will release a new bot based on CigaretST,but it is not a monster,it cannot beat Neo and [[VertiLeach]],but it can beat DT in 1000 rounds in my testing~;],i learned some from Andrew's Neo,so i removed CigaretST,and i removed [[Ash]] because I think i need to removed some old and not very good bot.  --[[User:Iiley|iiley]]
-To me anything involving tobaco is monstrous. =) Good that you beat DT with it. Paul wanted the RoboRumble/PremierLeague to be some  challenge to him. I can tell you how to beat VertiLeach as long as you don't tell anyone and don't use it in a mini. You know my e-mail address. =) -- [[PEZ]]
+To me anything involving tobaco is monstrous. =) Good that you beat DT with it. Paul wanted the RoboRumble/PremierLeague to be some  challenge to him. I can tell you how to beat VertiLeach as long as you don't tell anyone and don't use it in a mini. You know my e-mail address. =) -- [[User:PEZ|PEZ]]
-I released it,named [[Lacrimas]],It seems that the rumbles use short rounds battles,it is not advantaged for [[Lacrimass]] it learn slowly.~;[ and... I send a email to you PEZ.  -- [[iiley]]
+I released it,named [[Lacrimas]],It seems that the rumbles use short rounds battles,it is not advantaged for [[Lacrimass]] it learn slowly.~;[ and... I send a email to you PEZ.  -- [[User:Iiley|iiley]]
-What? VertiLeach has a flaw? ;) Also, those bots are far from old and not very good; all 3 of them outranked [[Fractal]]... -- [[Vuen]]
+What? VertiLeach has a flaw? ;) Also, those bots are far from old and not very good; all 3 of them outranked [[Fractal]]... -- [[User:Vuen|Vuen]]
-Just don't tell anyone. =) It's good some of us making lots of bots clean out some of them from time to time. A bot need to have a reason for existance to consume CPU power in the RR@H I think. I cleaned out quite a few of my bots a while ago. -- [[PEZ]]
+Just don't tell anyone. =) It's good some of us making lots of bots clean out some of them from time to time. A bot need to have a reason for existance to consume CPU power in the RR@H I think. I cleaned out quite a few of my bots a while ago. -- [[User:PEZ|PEZ]]
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-Hey iiley, do you mind if when I release the next version of [[Fractal]] I release alongside it a version with Fractal's gun and Cigaret's movement in the wiki package? I want a competitive comparison of it's new gun compared to some of the other bots out there, and I figure that a common movement (ala Griffon, Cigaret, Sedan) would be the best way to compare. Of course, these are all minibots, and Fractal is far from it... -- [[Vuen]]
+Hey iiley, do you mind if when I release the next version of [[Fractal]] I release alongside it a version with Fractal's gun and Cigaret's movement in the wiki package? I want a competitive comparison of it's new gun compared to some of the other bots out there, and I figure that a common movement (ala Griffon, Cigaret, Sedan) would be the best way to compare. Of course, these are all minibots, and Fractal is far from it... -- [[User:Vuen|Vuen]]
-Just to make it crystal clear. Griffon does not share the movement with Cigaret and Sedan. I know you don't mean that, but someone reading it might misunderstand. Anyways, ask [[Jim]] too if you can borrow his movement, then you can compare your gun with Jekyl's and Griffon's. Good if iiley doesn't check up on the wiki in a while. -- [[PEZ]]
+Just to make it crystal clear. Griffon does not share the movement with Cigaret and Sedan. I know you don't mean that, but someone reading it might misunderstand. Anyways, ask [[User:Sparafucil3|Jim]] too if you can borrow his movement, then you can compare your gun with Jekyl's and Griffon's. Good if iiley doesn't check up on the wiki in a while. -- [[User:PEZ|PEZ]]
-OK,nice to see [[Fractal]]'s new gun.Sorry that i had not visit wiki page for days since i have not finish my project.Busy days these days.~;[  -- [[iiley]]
+OK,nice to see [[Fractal]]'s new gun.Sorry that i had not visit wiki page for days since i have not finish my project.Busy days these days.~;[  -- [[User:Iiley|iiley]]
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-[[Iiley]] - I've noticed for some time here that [[SonAsh]] gets destroyed by [[AresHaiku]].  Any idea why that happens?  Most of your waves should be hitting in the same place against it, and I'd expect that it moves fairly predictably, so I don't see how you'd miss it unless you had a bug in your aiming that made you fire head-on or something. -- [[Kawigi]]
+[[User:Iiley|Iiley]] - I've noticed for some time here that [[SonAsh]] gets destroyed by [[AresHaiku]].  Any idea why that happens?  Most of your waves should be hitting in the same place against it, and I'd expect that it moves fairly predictably, so I don't see how you'd miss it unless you had a bug in your aiming that made you fire head-on or something. -- [[User:Kawigi|Kawigi]]
-[[SonAsh]] did not use waves,it use a symbol pattern matching.Maybe there is some bug or weakness,i will check it.Thanx [[Kawigi]] told me that,i didnot know it lost to [[AresHaiku]] as it is very predictable for PM.  -- [[iiley]]
+[[SonAsh]] did not use waves,it use a symbol pattern matching.Maybe there is some bug or weakness,i will check it.Thanx [[User:Kawigi|Kawigi]] told me that,i didnot know it lost to [[AresHaiku]] as it is very predictable for PM.  -- [[User:Iiley|iiley]]
-That's what I figured.  I also figured out that FunkyMusic had a bug that made it lose to AresHaiku, too, but then looked to see that FemtoAsh and SonAsh don't use enough of FunkyMusic's aiming code to have the same bug.  Actually, I noticed that you were pattern-matching on heading and velocity (as opposed to heading change and velocity or lateral velocity).  That's another thing that didn't occur to me.  It might not be as strong as using heading change because it's less likely to get a good match, but it's a lot simpler to code. -- [[Kawigi]]
+That's what I figured.  I also figured out that FunkyMusic had a bug that made it lose to AresHaiku, too, but then looked to see that FemtoAsh and SonAsh don't use enough of FunkyMusic's aiming code to have the same bug.  Actually, I noticed that you were pattern-matching on heading and velocity (as opposed to heading change and velocity or lateral velocity).  That's another thing that didn't occur to me.  It might not be as strong as using heading change because it's less likely to get a good match, but it's a lot simpler to code. -- [[User:Kawigi|Kawigi]]
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-Nice to see you have Robocode plans again iiley! Wonderful painting. Did you paint it? Looking forward to meet [[Tide]]. -- [[PEZ]]
+Nice to see you have Robocode plans again iiley! Wonderful painting. Did you paint it? Looking forward to meet [[Tide]]. -- [[User:PEZ|PEZ]]
-Ha[[User:Voidious|Voidious]]Thank you,you paid attention to us so suddenly.~;] Yes,i painted it,But it is not for [[Tide]],if it is,i would paste it to the page of it.I think you mean Tide not Tibe. ~;]  -- [[iiley]]
+Ha[[User:Voidious|Voidious]]Thank you,you paid attention to us so suddenly.~;] Yes,i painted it,But it is not for [[Tide]],if it is,i would paste it to the page of it.I think you mean Tide not Tibe. ~;]  -- [[User:Iiley|iiley]]
-I'm always looking for signs that you're back iiley. =) OK, so [[Tide]] then. Is it a tidal wave aimed to crush the surfers? -- [[PEZ]]
+I'm always looking for signs that you're back iiley. =) OK, so [[Tide]] then. Is it a tidal wave aimed to crush the surfers? -- [[User:PEZ|PEZ]]
-Thank you, PEZ,i was planning to back robocoding for a long time,then now i come back,be very very excited.But dot worry,[[Tide]] is not strong enough,surfers are improved for a long time,it is adult and gentler and very strong,I lost too much about this.for the first, [[Tide]] will use the similar technic(Also similar to [[Lacrimas]]'s technic).I am testing the first robot of [[Tide]],maybe it can be upload tonight.~;]  -- [[iiley]]
+Thank you, PEZ,i was planning to back robocoding for a long time,then now i come back,be very very excited.But dot worry,[[Tide]] is not strong enough,surfers are improved for a long time,it is adult and gentler and very strong,I lost too much about this.for the first, [[Tide]] will use the similar technic(Also similar to [[Lacrimas]]'s technic).I am testing the first robot of [[Tide]],maybe it can be upload tonight.~;]  -- [[User:Iiley|iiley]]
-If this bot started out as [[Lacrimas]] then it will not be long until it goes to the top. [[Lacrimas]] is one tough bot to beat. -- [[jim]]
+If this bot started out as [[Lacrimas]] then it will not be long until it goes to the top. [[Lacrimas]] is one tough bot to beat. -- [[User:Sparafucil3|jim]]
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