Talk:PencilRain

Halle-friggin'-luja, I finally got the circles! I've finally collected enough information, and got me events sorted out enough, and I can draw the circles when the enemy fires! I've been waiting a year for this, and I worked on it for... way too much time this weekend. I'm actually currently drawing them any time a bot loses energy (enemy or me), it's a real mess when Crazy is pinned between me and the wall ramming back and forth and shooting me. I guess the next step will be filtering out the non-bullets based on bot location (for running into walls, or me), and eventually for melee I would need to consider bots getting hit by bullets that are not my own.

Holy crap, I've been running it and watching the circles while I've been typing, I think it just hit a time limit where bots just start losing energy until they die, my screen went crazy with circles from both robots, that was awesome. --BenHorner 03:40, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

To filter out the other energy losses remember you know if he crashed with you with the onHitRobot and for wall hits extends AdvancedRobot bots take damage only if their speed at collision was higher that 2, extends Robot bots don't take wall damage. And yes, there is an inactivity timer that makes both bots loose energy if there hasn't been damage in a while, rarely happens on a real battle unless both bots a low on energy and saving it without firing. --zyx 06:06, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I didn't even consider that non-AdvancedRobots wouldn't take wall damage, though I don't think that will mess me up. Thanks for the reminder on the speed 2 thing, I will have to look up that formula, and the one for bots hitting each other too, to make sure that the energy drops are exactly accounted for. I was thinking that I might be able to incorporate enemy gun heat into it too, if it's impossible that they fired... then they probably didn't fire. :) --BenHorner 22:57, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

If you are try to create Wave Surfer, you probably doesn't need to consider wall hit or inactive timers. About melee detecting, that's the reason why there is no wave surfing melee bots around here today. I've been recently working on my own BattlePredictor library (not finished yet) which will simulate normal melee robots behavior base on scan, which include guessed target (which other robot might aimed to), guessed firing angle (base on some past bullet hit info) and so on. But trust me, this is really complicate and might eat all your turns. OK, back to inactive timer and wall hit. If you are creating wave surfing (which I think you are since you are drawing an enemy wave), the wall hit thing is not need to be considered since top robots don't hit wall (99.999% of the time) and the mid robot that sometimes hit wall will not affect your surfing (much, but it usually has no effect) and with low nanobot that hit wall often, your movement will be good enough to get rid of them. And inactive timer, since, as zyx mentioned, this will happen only if two robots cease fire for save their energy, but both of them will have energy less than 5 (usually between 0.0 and 1.5) and will die both before any bullets will reach each other. This is proved by DrussGT, which doesn't have any detection for wall and inactive timer. » Nat | Talk » 12:32, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not really sure what wave surfing is... it sounds like you would be running away from the bullets, like riding a wave, but you can't go fast enough to do that, even for the slowest bullets, so I've never been sure what it was. For both my gun, and to keep track of what the enemy gun is doing, I've planned on keeping track of bearings. If you draw a line between the two bots, I would use the bearing off of that line, and keep track of how often I hit the enemy at a certain bearing, and how often I get hit at a certain bearing, throw in some kind of smoothing function to make it look like a probability distribution, and use that data accordingly. Is that what wave surfing is about? --BenHorner 22:57, 26 May 2009 (UTC)