Talk:Wave Surfing/Melee

(I deleted what I've post before, it doesn't really make senses)

Now, who is the inventor of Melee Surfing? Positive or ABC? Or Shadow 3.84 and Portia doesn't qualified as Melee Surfing yet since it only avoid the HOT angle? » Nat | Talk » 04:31, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, I once earlier tried to fit a primitive HOT-Melee-Surfing into a Micro/Mini. I can't remember exactly what happened with it except that I didn't seem worthy of release. I'm not sure if I could truely call it surfing. In any case, I'd say that the idea of HOT-Melee-Surfing has been around for a long time before we had useful implementations like in Shadow 3.84 or Portia. Due to that, I couldn't really call either the inventor, I'd call the wiki-collective as a whole, the inventor :) --Rednaxela 05:17, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

But if either of them really collect the stats, you would call them the first Melee Surfer, right? » Nat | Talk » 05:51, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd call them the first successful melee surfers, but that has nothing to do with collecting stats. Collecting stats isn't what makes wavesurfing wavesurfing --Rednaxela 06:04, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Shadow 3.84 does not collect stats. It does fire enemy waves and surfs them, though. I believe Portia is more of a bullet dodger. From the description and debug graphics I presume it fires HOT and linear enemy bullets and dodges them. Anyway, melee wavesurfing did not need to be invented, it's a natural evolution from 1on1 wavesurfing. It's just that it hadn't been made to work good enough until now. And, even now, Shadow's "traditional" movement is still 1% APS better. And I estimate Portia's movement is around HawOnFire's level, an amazingly good micro melee movement...