http://robowiki.net/w/index.php?title=Archived_talk:Dookious_20061129&feed=atom&action=historyArchived talk:Dookious 20061129 - Revision history2024-03-28T17:50:48ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.34.1http://robowiki.net/w/index.php?title=Archived_talk:Dookious_20061129&diff=18385&oldid=prevVoidious: fix a migrating error2011-02-06T04:51:44Z<p>fix a migrating error</p>
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</table>Voidioushttp://robowiki.net/w/index.php?title=Archived_talk:Dookious_20061129&diff=13060&oldid=prevRobobot: moved Dookious/Archived Talk 20061129 to Archived talk:Dookious 20061129: move to talkarchive2009-10-08T03:50:48Z<p>moved <a href="/wiki/Dookious/Archived_Talk_20061129" class="mw-redirect" title="Dookious/Archived Talk 20061129">Dookious/Archived Talk 20061129</a> to <a href="/wiki/Archived_talk:Dookious_20061129" title="Archived talk:Dookious 20061129">Archived talk:Dookious 20061129</a>: move to talkarchive</p>
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</table>Robobothttp://robowiki.net/w/index.php?title=Archived_talk:Dookious_20061129&diff=7087&oldid=prevRobobot at 15:23, 21 May 20092009-05-21T15:23:58Z<p></p>
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</table>Voidioushttp://robowiki.net/w/index.php?title=Archived_talk:Dookious_20061129&diff=446&oldid=prevAaronR: "Archived" should now be used instead of "old".2007-11-12T19:43:40Z<p>"Archived" should now be used instead of "old".</p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Since [[Ascendant]]'s gun's true power doesn't show itself in the [[TargetingChallenge]]'s, I have been using the [[RRGunChallenge|RRGC]] to benchmark my gun progress. I gained 4-5 points in my gun there, and with data saving turned off in 1.045 compared to having it on in 1.0. But, so far, Dookious 1.05 (gun from [[/<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">RRGC</del>|RRGC]] 1.045) is quite a ways behind Dookious 0.98 (same gun as 1.0) and Ascendant 1.2.20. Maybe it will turn around, but if it doesn't, I'm going to be so confused! -- [[Voidious]]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Since [[Ascendant]]'s gun's true power doesn't show itself in the [[TargetingChallenge]]'s, I have been using the [[RRGunChallenge|RRGC]] to benchmark my gun progress. I gained 4-5 points in my gun there, and with data saving turned off in 1.045 compared to having it on in 1.0. But, so far, Dookious 1.05 (gun from [[<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Dookious</ins>/<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">DookiSaberRRGC</ins>|RRGC]] 1.045) is quite a ways behind Dookious 0.98 (same gun as 1.0) and Ascendant 1.2.20. Maybe it will turn around, but if it doesn't, I'm going to be so confused! -- [[Voidious]]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Sometimes things can be so simpel . . . and sometimes not. I think that the problem is your movement! Before you are getting more confused, let me explain my thoughts. [[Dookious]] uses WaveSurfing, meaning that no HOT-, LT- or CT-gun can touch it. It does not matter if you hit your opponent 10 times or just twice, you win with 98-2. [[Raiko]]'s movement is relatively vulnerable against simple targeters, especially HOT-bots. So with [[/<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">RRGC</del>|DookiousRRGC]] it does matter if you hit your opponent 10 times or just twice. My conclusion (and only mine) is that gun v1.045 does slightly better against the lesser bots and slightly worse against the better ones (maybe only a few promille on average). In [[Dookious]] you do not have the positive influence because of its surfing, but encounter only the negative influence. So the best gun and the best movement put together does not always result in the best bot. But that is one of the charmes of Robocode, even if you are the bot to beat! -- [[GrubbmGait]]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Sometimes things can be so simpel . . . and sometimes not. I think that the problem is your movement! Before you are getting more confused, let me explain my thoughts. [[Dookious]] uses WaveSurfing, meaning that no HOT-, LT- or CT-gun can touch it. It does not matter if you hit your opponent 10 times or just twice, you win with 98-2. [[Raiko]]'s movement is relatively vulnerable against simple targeters, especially HOT-bots. So with [[<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Dookious</ins>/<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">DookiSaberRRGC</ins>|DookiousRRGC]] it does matter if you hit your opponent 10 times or just twice. My conclusion (and only mine) is that gun v1.045 does slightly better against the lesser bots and slightly worse against the better ones (maybe only a few promille on average). In [[Dookious]] you do not have the positive influence because of its surfing, but encounter only the negative influence. So the best gun and the best movement put together does not always result in the best bot. But that is one of the charmes of Robocode, even if you are the bot to beat! -- [[GrubbmGait]]</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Thanks for your insight, Grubb, I'm sure you must be right about this. I knew how infrequently simpler targeters hit Dookious, but I was under the (false, apparently) impression that it would still pay to improve my gun against them, since they still hit him sometimes. I guess, at this point, the only way to benchmark Dooki's gun is attached to Dookious! -- [[Voidious]]</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Thanks for your insight, Grubb, I'm sure you must be right about this. I knew how infrequently simpler targeters hit Dookious, but I was under the (false, apparently) impression that it would still pay to improve my gun against them, since they still hit him sometimes. I guess, at this point, the only way to benchmark Dooki's gun is attached to Dookious! -- [[Voidious]]</div></td></tr>
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</table>Voidioushttp://robowiki.net/w/index.php?title=Archived_talk:Dookious_20061129&diff=130&oldid=prevVoidious: Talk:Dookious/Archived 20061129 moved to Dookious/Archived Talk 200611292007-11-11T17:44:45Z<p><a href="/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dookious/Archived_20061129&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Talk:Dookious/Archived 20061129 (page does not exist)">Talk:Dookious/Archived 20061129</a> moved to <a href="/wiki/Dookious/Archived_Talk_20061129" class="mw-redirect" title="Dookious/Archived Talk 20061129">Dookious/Archived Talk 20061129</a></p>
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