http://robowiki.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:RoboResearch&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:RoboResearch - Revision history2024-03-29T02:21:12ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.34.1http://robowiki.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:RoboResearch&diff=22161&oldid=prevSkotty: Add another change idea2011-10-06T19:18:47Z<p>Add another change idea</p>
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</table>Skottyhttp://robowiki.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:RoboResearch&diff=21345&oldid=prevChase-san: /* New Version 1.2 (finally) */2011-08-28T05:20:07Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">New Version 1.2 (finally)</span></span></p>
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</table>Chase-sanhttp://robowiki.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:RoboResearch&diff=21340&oldid=prevVoidious: /* New Version 1.2 (finally) */ in the meantime... my RoboResearch patch2011-08-27T21:18:06Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">New Version 1.2 (finally): </span> in the meantime... my RoboResearch patch</span></p>
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</table>Voidioushttp://robowiki.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:RoboResearch&diff=21339&oldid=prevVoidious: /* New Version 1.2 (finally) */ public source repo2011-08-27T20:21:29Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">New Version 1.2 (finally): </span> public source repo</span></p>
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</table>Voidioushttp://robowiki.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:RoboResearch&diff=21284&oldid=prevDarkcanuck: /* New Version 1.2 (finally) */ found it2011-08-25T20:58:31Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">New Version 1.2 (finally): </span> found it</span></p>
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</table>Jdevhttp://robowiki.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:RoboResearch&diff=21276&oldid=prevDarkcanuck: /* New Version 1.2 (finally) */ source code?2011-08-25T16:44:15Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">New Version 1.2 (finally): </span> source code?</span></p>
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</table>Darkcanuckhttp://robowiki.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:RoboResearch&diff=21270&oldid=prevJdev: disadvantages of roborumble-based solution2011-08-25T16:11:28Z<p>disadvantages of roborumble-based solution</p>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::: 7. i wish to have possibility to run my battles on my clients in prioritet order - but roborumble does not support it now</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::: 8. 3 step system (challenge client -> roborumble server -> execution client) is more slow</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::: 9. i think there're many other issues, which appears, when tools misused</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::: --[[User:Jdev|Jdev]] 16:11, 25 August 2011 (UTC)</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: Early access (i hope ready to run) links: client [http://robocode-server.googlecode.com/files/rc-client.rar], server [http://robocode-server.googlecode.com/files/rc-server.rar]. Just try it, may be you will like it. '''(requires Java 7!)''' --[[User:Jdev|Jdev]] 13:41, 25 August 2011 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: Early access (i hope ready to run) links: client [http://robocode-server.googlecode.com/files/rc-client.rar], server [http://robocode-server.googlecode.com/files/rc-server.rar]. Just try it, may be you will like it. '''(requires Java 7!)''' --[[User:Jdev|Jdev]] 13:41, 25 August 2011 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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