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I don't know what APS was 2k on the old server, but it definitely wasn't 85 (pretty sure it wasn't even 84). [[Komarious]] was about 2k in General 1v1 and is currently around 80 APS. Also, since this club didn't exist until now, we can define it however we want. =) --[[User:Voidious|Voidious]] 05:52, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 
I don't know what APS was 2k on the old server, but it definitely wasn't 85 (pretty sure it wasn't even 84). [[Komarious]] was about 2k in General 1v1 and is currently around 80 APS. Also, since this club didn't exist until now, we can define it however we want. =) --[[User:Voidious|Voidious]] 05:52, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
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: Well, new bots can make your APS drop =) --[[User:Nat|<span style="color:#099;">Nat</span>]] [[User talk:Nat|<span style="color:#0a5;">Pavasant</span>]] 15:27, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
  
 
The question is... what to define it as? Neither ELO nor Glicko are long-term stable. APS isn't quite stable either... Perhaps the ratio between your bot's APS and SandboxDT's APS? That's about the most stable benchmark I can come up with without becoming too elaborate... --[[User:Rednaxela|Rednaxela]] 05:55, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 
The question is... what to define it as? Neither ELO nor Glicko are long-term stable. APS isn't quite stable either... Perhaps the ratio between your bot's APS and SandboxDT's APS? That's about the most stable benchmark I can come up with without becoming too elaborate... --[[User:Rednaxela|Rednaxela]] 05:55, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
  
 
Excellent - a discussion :)  Truth is, ELO ratings have dropped quite a bit in 2 years.  I'm currently sitting at 1988 ELO - the highest ELO rating in any catagory currently.  While not 2k until I get another 0.5% APS or so, I followed the lead of some other posts by looking at the score saved via the rumble archive (glicko only) and used that.  Without that archive, I have no other proof.  If we want to setup a different scoring / ratio / whatever, let me know and I'll gladly withdraw my bot until such a time as everyone is satisfied.  BTW, all other Club bots are now at their respective scores with Glicko scores.  It seems to me that that particular score is more relevant right now.  Still trying to get the undisputed PL ranking too - grrr Fuatisha :) --[[User:Miked0801|Miked0801]] 06:48, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 
Excellent - a discussion :)  Truth is, ELO ratings have dropped quite a bit in 2 years.  I'm currently sitting at 1988 ELO - the highest ELO rating in any catagory currently.  While not 2k until I get another 0.5% APS or so, I followed the lead of some other posts by looking at the score saved via the rumble archive (glicko only) and used that.  Without that archive, I have no other proof.  If we want to setup a different scoring / ratio / whatever, let me know and I'll gladly withdraw my bot until such a time as everyone is satisfied.  BTW, all other Club bots are now at their respective scores with Glicko scores.  It seems to me that that particular score is more relevant right now.  Still trying to get the undisputed PL ranking too - grrr Fuatisha :) --[[User:Miked0801|Miked0801]] 06:48, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
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I'm sure that we really in need of a new standard for scoring. I tried to start a discussion about this many times already (in different ways) but fail because I think no one have any solutions. New server have problem with ELO system, which starting to drop via unknown reason (perhaps wrong formula? I don't know) I can think of one solution for the server, which will solve problem with bad result too. Why don't server cache current ranking, and all uploads are just store in upload table in database. And every half and hour or so, query all upload for all active robot and calculate ranking, write to cache and sleep (do this via cron) But that still doesn't solve problem with the stability of the rating... --[[User:Nat|<span style="color:#099;">Nat</span>]] [[User talk:Nat|<span style="color:#0a5;">Pavasant</span>]] 15:27, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

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As far as I know the ticket for this clus is 2000 ELO, not Glicko-2. 2000 ELO is roughly equal to 85APS, so I don't think LBB is quilified for this club yet. --Nat Pavasant 05:26, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

What "2000 ELO" is has drifted since moving from the old server. I'm not sure ELO measures makes a good long-term comparison anymore. --Rednaxela 05:39, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't know what APS was 2k on the old server, but it definitely wasn't 85 (pretty sure it wasn't even 84). Komarious was about 2k in General 1v1 and is currently around 80 APS. Also, since this club didn't exist until now, we can define it however we want. =) --Voidious 05:52, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, new bots can make your APS drop =) --Nat Pavasant 15:27, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

The question is... what to define it as? Neither ELO nor Glicko are long-term stable. APS isn't quite stable either... Perhaps the ratio between your bot's APS and SandboxDT's APS? That's about the most stable benchmark I can come up with without becoming too elaborate... --Rednaxela 05:55, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Excellent - a discussion :) Truth is, ELO ratings have dropped quite a bit in 2 years. I'm currently sitting at 1988 ELO - the highest ELO rating in any catagory currently. While not 2k until I get another 0.5% APS or so, I followed the lead of some other posts by looking at the score saved via the rumble archive (glicko only) and used that. Without that archive, I have no other proof. If we want to setup a different scoring / ratio / whatever, let me know and I'll gladly withdraw my bot until such a time as everyone is satisfied. BTW, all other Club bots are now at their respective scores with Glicko scores. It seems to me that that particular score is more relevant right now. Still trying to get the undisputed PL ranking too - grrr Fuatisha :) --Miked0801 06:48, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm sure that we really in need of a new standard for scoring. I tried to start a discussion about this many times already (in different ways) but fail because I think no one have any solutions. New server have problem with ELO system, which starting to drop via unknown reason (perhaps wrong formula? I don't know) I can think of one solution for the server, which will solve problem with bad result too. Why don't server cache current ranking, and all uploads are just store in upload table in database. And every half and hour or so, query all upload for all active robot and calculate ranking, write to cache and sleep (do this via cron) But that still doesn't solve problem with the stability of the rating... --Nat Pavasant 15:27, 17 February 2010 (UTC)