http://robowiki.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:WaveSerpent/Version_History&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:WaveSerpent/Version History - Revision history2024-03-28T11:29:42ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.34.1http://robowiki.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:WaveSerpent/Version_History&diff=14153&oldid=prevRednaxela: /* 2.1 */ Nice SeaSerpent score!2009-12-02T05:09:56Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">2.1: </span> Nice SeaSerpent score!</span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>SeaSerpent 0.2's gun was specifically designed to hit surfers (it weighted recent matches and matches starting firing ticks more), while the pattern matcher is a simple [[Sequential Prediction]] gun that still ends up doing pretty well against surfers. But after seeing how well SeaSerpent preformed in the [[Anti-Surfer Challenge]], I'll probably tune WaveSerpent's current PM gun to hit surfers and maybe drop the current anti surfer gun entirely. [[User:Kev|--Kev]] 04:12, 2 December 2009 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>SeaSerpent 0.2's gun was specifically designed to hit surfers (it weighted recent matches and matches starting firing ticks more), while the pattern matcher is a simple [[Sequential Prediction]] gun that still ends up doing pretty well against surfers. But after seeing how well SeaSerpent preformed in the [[Anti-Surfer Challenge]], I'll probably tune WaveSerpent's current PM gun to hit surfers and maybe drop the current anti surfer gun entirely. [[User:Kev|--Kev]] 04:12, 2 December 2009 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Rednaxelahttp://robowiki.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:WaveSerpent/Version_History&diff=14152&oldid=prevKev: SeaSerpent's gun2009-12-02T04:12:53Z<p>SeaSerpent's gun</p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I hate to always be the skeptic =), but I wouldn't draw too many conclusions about the PM gun's PL prowess before running some longer benchmarks against its PL rivals. I've seen nearly identical versions of Diamond fluctuate between 6 and 14 losses pretty regularly. Also, I remember your [[SeaSerpent]] PM gun was pretty strong against surfers, wasn't it? Did that have any special AntiSurfer magic? --[[User:Voidious|Voidious]] 20:47, 30 November 2009 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I hate to always be the skeptic =), but I wouldn't draw too many conclusions about the PM gun's PL prowess before running some longer benchmarks against its PL rivals. I've seen nearly identical versions of Diamond fluctuate between 6 and 14 losses pretty regularly. Also, I remember your [[SeaSerpent]] PM gun was pretty strong against surfers, wasn't it? Did that have any special AntiSurfer magic? --[[User:Voidious|Voidious]] 20:47, 30 November 2009 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Kevhttp://robowiki.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:WaveSerpent/Version_History&diff=14148&oldid=prevVoidious: /* 2.1 */ comments2009-11-30T20:47:33Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">2.1: </span> comments</span></p>
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</table>Voidioushttp://robowiki.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:WaveSerpent/Version_History&diff=14131&oldid=prevKev: PM good against curve flatteners?2009-11-30T08:15:35Z<p>PM good against curve flatteners?</p>
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</table>Kevhttp://robowiki.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:WaveSerpent/Version_History&diff=14128&oldid=prevRednaxela: suspicions about PM vs surfers2009-11-30T06:58:05Z<p>suspicions about PM vs surfers</p>
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</table>Kevhttp://robowiki.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:WaveSerpent/Version_History&diff=14121&oldid=prevSkilgannon: /* 2.1 */ new section2009-11-29T13:36:52Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">2.1: </span> new section</span></p>
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</table>Skilgannonhttp://robowiki.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:WaveSerpent/Version_History&diff=12648&oldid=prevZyx: /* 2.0 */ nice job2009-09-30T02:00:02Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">2.0: </span> nice job</span></p>
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</table>Zyxhttp://robowiki.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:WaveSerpent/Version_History&diff=12633&oldid=prevKev: VCS for gun, not movement2009-09-29T19:31:23Z<p>VCS for gun, not movement</p>
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</table>Kevhttp://robowiki.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:WaveSerpent/Version_History&diff=12629&oldid=prevVoidious: /* 2.0 */ correction, WaveSerpent's *old* old gun was really weak2009-09-29T15:41:00Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">2.0: </span> correction, WaveSerpent's *old* old gun was really weak</span></p>
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