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03:23, 19 May 2012 Chase-san (talk | contribs) New reply created (Reply to Debugging waves with onPaint())
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Debugging waves with onPaint()

I've had a problem vexing me for some time....

From what I know by reading this amazing wiki, bots fire bullets the tick after fire()/setFire() are called. (assuming one never calls them until the gun is cool) However, if I make a wave (a wave that I'm firing for targeting purposes, not a wave fired at me) with a launchTime = getTime()+1 and then draw it, my wave reliably gets drawn one tick behind the bullet on the robocode screen.. doesn't begin to break (my waves change color when they begin the breaking process) till a tick after the bullet visually hits the opposing bot.

Everything lines up perfectly on screen if I just have launchTime be this tick.. but that's supposed to be off. I don't think I'm off in my wave radius calculation:

radius = velocity*(getTime()-launchTime)

Does a Bullet move its first step on the same tick it is created?

Tkiesel14:39, 17 May 2012

Are you doing your calculating in run() or in onScannedRobot()? IIRC they happen on different sides of the getTime() update.

Skilgannon15:39, 17 May 2012

It's happening in onScannedRobot()

Generally speaking, can I use onPaint() as a guide to having my picture of the battlefield properly placed? I guess that question boils down to "Do Robocode's own graphics and onPaint() happen at substantially the same time relative to the bots/bullets progressing from tick to tick?" If so, then proper alignment of my debug graphics with the screen means I'm getting things created/updated at the right times.

When my onPaint() draws my waves, breaking waves display their current min/max precise intersection angles. It was a beautiful moment when I saw that happening, and it looked accurate right down to the pixel (or as close as the naked eye gets) on the bot's bounding box. I'm just hoping that moment of "huzzah!!" wasn't in vain. ;)

Tkiesel16:11, 17 May 2012
 

Two important things here:

  • The bullet's fire time is the tick you call fire/setFire/setFireBullet. The following tick the bullet appears and has traveled forward by its speed once from the location you were when you fired it. The tick after you call fire is the first tick the enemy can see that you've fired a bullet. And the tick before you called fire is the last info you could use to aim, since on the firing tick, the bullet is fired before the gun is turned.
  • The order of operations is: (all other events), onScannedRobot, onPaint, run(), time increments. So if you fire from onScannedRobot, your graphics will line up. But if you fire from run(), things might look a tick behind, because they won't be painted until next tick's onPaint.
Voidious16:29, 17 May 2012

Re: "But if you fire from run(), things might look a tick behind"

Unless of course your bot is using a trick like making your "run()" code happen at the start of onPaint when onPaint is called, effectively re-ordering the "run()" code to be before "onPaint()" :-)

Rednaxela17:12, 17 May 2012
 

If you fire from run(), graphics can still line up if you also paint from that same run().

The way I do:

(all events), put all event data in a custom queue, execute() returns, cache battle state to avoid 1000 calls, process event queue and everything else in the order I want: radar, retrieve data from teammates, movement, fire gun, energy management, turn gun, send data to teammates, graphical debugging.

MN17:14, 17 May 2012

I assume you're referring to if you use the "getGraphics()" call instead of implementing "onPaint()" right?

At least personally I don't care for that approach because then either your bot will spend CPU time on the painting when painting is disabled, or you have to check if onPaint is called anyway.

Rednaxela17:34, 17 May 2012

Using getGraphics() also works. But I am implementing onPaint and storing an object in a member variable (that object contains the Graphics object), which is then consumed in the run() method. That variable is cleared before calling execute() (in case debug is disabled in the middle of a battle). It is bulky, but it is fast.

If painting is disabled, onPaint is not called and nothing is setted in that variable. Yep, there is one check to see if the variable was set. The onPaint event is treated a bit differently (separated queue) from other events to make it easier to process it at the end.

MN19:03, 17 May 2012
 

Well keep in mind that the difference between onPaint and getGraphics are twofold.

First if I recall, the painting done by getGraphics is synced better with your current activity. Also you don't have to store any of your painting data for later to paint (which if I recall is part of the sync issue).

Which makes getGraphics much more useful for debugging then onPaint in my humble opinion. Where as onPaint is better for fancy graphics for everyone else after it is released.

Chase-san23:55, 17 May 2012

The approach I told above is based in gathering all event data first, then process everything, only then do some output. Shift from an event driven architecture to a simpler request driven (input/process/output) architecture.

The main advantage is not being constrained with event ordering. Event ordering in Robocode doesn´t give any extra information. The main drawbacks are increased codesize (not an option for nanobots), and necessity of member variables (not an option for perceptual bots).

MN14:29, 18 May 2012