Talk:RoboRumble/Participants

Why it still have "No chatting on this page. Use the /ParticipantsChat page for that."? We can have this discussion page for chat. » Nat | Talk » 05:11, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Entering rumble via infobox

You know, it would be kinda cool if people could enter their robots in the rumble via Template:Infobox Robot. Just add the appropriate data to the box and an argument that says, effectively, "Yes, enter my bot in the rumble," and boom, it gets picked up. RobertWalker 19:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Thats sorta possible, if say, we added a category to the template then had it use that category and trace the link to the bots page and look for its jar. However thats a lot of extra skipping around, and its a realy strain on server resources to have to 'check' for these things. --Chase-san 20:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

A couple issues with that, though not show-stopping issues: one, we have bots in the rumble with no bot pages. (Vanessa, for instance.) Two, you don't always have your latest version in the rumble, or you have to post a temporary RRGC version or something like that. With all the little caveats, the Participants page might still be the most elegant solution. --Voidious 20:13, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Is there a reason this list isn't being used for the rumble yet? Also, is there an updated zip of the rumble bots around? (Or could someone make it? :-D? I'd like to start running battles again. -- Alcatraz 12:52, 8 December 2008 (EST)

robowiki.net is running again, but maybe is time to activate this participant list? --lestofante 13:40, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Agree. Many down of the old wiki can make newbie like me try many new idea on rumble! --Nat 11:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Anyone still interesting with this issue? This can accomplish via a bot. If we have property name rumbleLocation in infobox, and the template automatically put any robot with that parameter into some category, I can make my soon-created bot handler that, say once per hour? For special RRGC/WSGC or a bot without page, there can still use another participant list and it will be merged to another page when the bot run. » Nat | Talk » 09:35, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Personally anyway, it seems that trying to make entry via infobox just overcomplicates things really. I'd much perfer there just be one simple way to do it: Add it to the participants page by hand. --Rednaxela 14:33, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree. The only change that I'd like to see (eventually) is to have the server maintain the participants list and bot storage. But I'm not ready to commit to programming that yet. --Darkcanuck 17:25, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

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Tigger

Hey man, you don't need to remove Tigger, one of us would gladly host it. Darkcanuck has posted most rumble bots to his server already, so you can make it point here if you want: http://darkcanuck.net/rumble/robots/stefw.Tigger_0.0.23.jar. Of course it's your call, but it seems a shame to remove such an old-school bot. --Voidious 14:01, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

• I wouldn't just call it an old-school bot, but also a very interesting one that gives a fair number of surfers some trouble if I remember right.. :) --Rednaxela 14:54, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

• Because its unique and only Tile Coding? » Nat | Talk » 15:01, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

• Well, it trounces Komarious, gives PulsarMax, Lukious, Engineer, and WinterMute a rather hard time... not sure if that's because of it's unique Tile Coding things, but it might well be --Rednaxela 15:35, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

• It could be its unique stats system. Since it's a reference bot for the TC2K6, the Targeting Challenge 2K6/Results give us at least some insight into its movement. Clearly, some top bots can really zero in on Tigger, but a lot of still very strong guns have some trouble with it. And the low scores against Linear Targeting and Circular Targeting seem odd, but might mean that he always enables a flattener, or just has some anomaly or bug that has a similar effect. --Voidious 15:58, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

• Well, it's reference scores against linear/circular targeting don't look that weird to me. I mean, the only reference bots that do better against the simple targeting are either surfers or the tremendously well-tuned multi-mode known as GrubbmGrb --Rednaxela 16:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

• Tigger is a surfer, though. :-P And his score against HoT is respectable. --Voidious 17:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey guys, should we re-enter Tigger? StefW's only reason given was about Geocities going down, so I say we do it. Any objections? --Voidious 02:04, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Agree. And the Geocities isn't going down till October, I can still access my webpage right now. But we can have the Darkcanucks' one. I think we usually grab it from the zip files, btw. » Nat | Talk » 13:17, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Re-enter it. It is a decent and quite unique bot and also away to honour StefW for his development of the initial onPaint. --GrubbmGait 22:03, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Broken Links!

I just fixed a ton of them! Also, thanks to Darkcanuck for the http://darkcanuck.net/rumble/robots/ hosting of them. Now.. I hope we can keep them more fixed than they have been, as that was rather tedious :P --Rednaxela 00:25, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

TheBrainPi fix

I just added the fix version of TheBrainPi, I did some testing and it didn't seem to throw any exceptions. I uploaded it to my google site because roborepository would upload it as mine, and show Zyx as author and that didn't seem right, but I don't know if it is better if Darkcanuck can host it in his sever? All I changed in the code has a comment that contains the words Unofficial fix very close from which it can be easy to see the changes. --zyx 01:21, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Very cool of you to take care of that! Check out the comparison: [1]. It's little things like this that make me appreciate what a great community we have here. --Voidious 16:28, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks just a very small retribution to Albert's immense contributions. And you are right, this is a great community, I wish I had more time to help more. --zyx 17:41, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Ok, the fixed version is now on my server (along with all other current 1v1 and melee bots) so you can change the link if you like. Thanks for doing this! --Darkcanuck 19:51, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Removing duplicates

Wow, there are a lot more duplicates in the participants list than I realized. Any objections to me removing all but the highest ranking version of each of these bots?

altglass.Exterminans2oo8 alpha0328,http://d-gfx.kognetwork.ch/robocode/altglass.Exterminans2oo8_alpha0328.jar
altglass.Exterminans2oo8 Build0411,http://d-gfx.kognetwork.ch/robocode/altglass.Exterminans2oo8_Build0411.jar
am.Miedzix 2.0,http://www.robocoderepository.com/BotFiles/3383/am.Miedzix_2.0.jar
am.Miedzix 3.0,http://darkcanuck.net/rumble/robots/am.Miedzix_3.0.jar
cjk.Merkava 0.1.1,http://www.robocoderepository.com/BotFiles/2637/cjk.Merkava_0.1.1.jar
cjk.Merkava 0.2.0,http://www.robocoderepository.com/BotFiles/2640/cjk.Merkava_0.2.0.jar
cjk.Merkava 0.3.0,http://darkcanuck.net/rumble/robots/cjk.Merkava_0.3.0.jar
kurios.DOSexe .9a,http://www.kuriosly.com/roborumble/kurios.DOSexe_.9a.jar
kurios.DOSexe .9b,http://www.kuriosly.com/roborumble/kurios.DOSexe_.9b.jar
pak.Dargon 1.0b,http://www.robocoderepository.com/BotFiles/3388/pak.Dargon_1.0b.jar
pak.Dargon .2c,http://www.robocoderepository.com/BotFiles/3389/pak.Dargon_.2c.jar
paulk.PaulV3 1.7,http://www.robocoderepository.com/BotFiles/3502/paulk.PaulV3_1.7.jar
paulk.PaulV3 1.6,http://www.robocoderepository.com/BotFiles/3497/paulk.PaulV3_1.6.jar
paulk.PaulV3 1.5,http://www.robocoderepository.com/BotFiles/3496/paulk.PaulV3_1.5.jar
paulk.PaulV3 1.3,http://www.robocoderepository.com/BotFiles/3495/paulk.PaulV3_1.3.jar
zyx.micro.Ant 1.1,http://www.robocoderepository.com/BotFiles/3481/zyx.micro.Ant_1.1.jar
zyx.micro.Ant 2.1,http://sites.google.com/site/zyxsite/robocode/zyx.micro.Ant_2.1.jar

Also planning to remove "whind.StrengthBee 0.6.4", as that was just a test of Strength with CassiusClay/Bee gun. And is this "rule" actually written anywhere? (I know it's kind of a "soft rule", but I still think it's a good one, in general.)

--Voidious 22:39, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't think there is this rule written anywhere. But I think we should add the second rule to the RoboWiki: "Common sense is the rule" =) --Nat Pavasant 04:38, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree with that, it is common sense. About micro.Ant, I didn't know there were two versions of it (in life not only in the rumble). I'm removing v2.1 but I think that maybe they only share the name, there is a good chance they have no code in common, it's been quite a while since I wrote that. --zyx

Common sense indeed. The number of participants has gone from 300 when I started to nearly 750 now, so duplicates and testbots should be removed, preferrable by the author. Authors should even consider if older bots with successors and without 'unique' setup could be removed. (Says the man with 8 1v1 and 6 meleebots.) But the latter is strictly a matter for the author and not for the community. --GrubbmGait 09:51, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes that's a good idea. How about also removing bots that reguarly freeze/skip many turns/take lots of memory and/or have to be stopped by robocode? --Positive 11:05, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Cool - I'll give this another couple days before removing any of the dups myself. zyx, that's funny =), and if they are indeed different bots, of course feel free to leave them both in. GrubbmGait, well said, I completely agree. Positive, I personally agree about bots that crash frequently (DogManSPE and SmallDevil come to mind), but IIRC, I suggested removing DogManSPE once before and met with some resistance. =) --Voidious 17:02, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Removal of crashing bots

Ugh... I was about to post here proposing the removal of DogManSPE due to the great deal of instability it has and then I read in the previous section that there was some resistance to such removal in the past. Personally... I'm finding this one to be highly irritating because it always shows up as a high score diff when comparing bot versions, and often a big enough difference to have a non-negligible impact on overall score. --Rednaxela 03:59, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Looking on the old wiki for references to DogManSPE, the only mentions I see are countless complaints and comments about it being a high PBI bot for them (due to it happening to not crash against them), and some mention on oldwiki:RoboRumble/RankingChat20070224 which isn't really resistance to DogManSPE specifically I think, particularly considering how it doesn't look like it was entered by it's author in the first place. --Rednaxela 04:12, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

As you may have seen in those discussions, I'm also in favor of removing DogManSPE for that reason. But I've lived with it this long... =) So whatever. --Voidious 04:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I have no sympathy for DogManSPE. That said, if there were enough battles then this crashing effect would be smoothed out. There are other crashing bots stuck at the bottom of the rumble, presumably abandoned by their authors (eg. ElverionBot, Dreadknoght)... --Darkcanuck 04:51, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Update of RoboRumble Version

What I don't get is why RoboRumble uses Robocode version 1.6.1.4 (I think, it might be slightly newer). Right now we are on release 1.7.2.1 Beta. The least we could do is use 1.7.2.0... --PiRocks

Because the 1.7.2 line is still not stable enough. True, there is a lot of changes, but from 1.6.1.4 to 1.6.2, 1.6.2 to 1.7 and 1.7 to 1.7.1 has a lot of very big changes, which is inevitable for bugs to occur. There were at least three discussions of this, but I can't remember where they are. --Nat Pavasant 12:45, 24 June 2010 (UTC)