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Haha, perfectly accurate detection is impossible. It has been discussed [http://robowiki.net/cgi-bin/robowiki?EnergyDrop here] (see some of ABCs notes) why one can at best guess the wall damage with an error between +0.5 and -1.0. The only possible real countermeasures I believe are: 1) Fire low-weight waves whenever the enemy hits the wall or 2) Detect if you got hit by a wallhit-concealed bullet, and if so presume they always make wallhit-concealed hits so long as gunheat indicates that they could have. A truely accurate countermeasure? That's impossible. --[[User:Rednaxela|Rednaxela]] 07:25, 18 March 2009 (UTC) | Haha, perfectly accurate detection is impossible. It has been discussed [http://robowiki.net/cgi-bin/robowiki?EnergyDrop here] (see some of ABCs notes) why one can at best guess the wall damage with an error between +0.5 and -1.0. The only possible real countermeasures I believe are: 1) Fire low-weight waves whenever the enemy hits the wall or 2) Detect if you got hit by a wallhit-concealed bullet, and if so presume they always make wallhit-concealed hits so long as gunheat indicates that they could have. A truely accurate countermeasure? That's impossible. --[[User:Rednaxela|Rednaxela]] 07:25, 18 March 2009 (UTC) | ||
+ | * Heheh, I assumed someone realized this, that's why I said I didn't search for it (it is 3:30 am here). I thought about you 1st counter option, but I guessed it was not worth the trouble(at least not yet) since I don't see how a bot can use this and actually become strong against a top bot. My current surfing algorithm surfs fake waves when he doesn't have at least 2 real waves, I did that mostly to avoid getting in dangerous spots for a bullet that hasn't been fired yet, but I think it will dodge some of those invisible bullets. And there many more important things that can be improved still. --[[User:Zyx|zyx]] 07:41, 18 March 2009 (UTC) |
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Greetings! Welcome to the Robowiki Zyx! Feel free to ask any question you might have! Btw, Newton seems pretty strong, care to tell us about it or Ant. Best wishes in your robocoding adventures! --Rednaxela
Thanks Rednaxela, I was just writing my "story" when you posted, I will expand Newton and Ant in a couple of minutes. -- Zyx
Wow, how did you find Stormrider? It's been out of action for ages.... If you want a version that is slightly newer, and much stronger, take a look at DrussGT, it's download link is on the RoboRumble/Participants page. Anyways, welcome to the wiki, and good luck with your coding =) If you have any questions feel free to ask. -- Skilgannon
Hehehe Stormrider was on the new wiki in the Bots section, and it said it was very competitive so I downloaded it. I was really new to everything at the moment, now I'm more settled, I'm running RoboRumble so I have DrussGT, BTW congrats man, it seems to be very comfortable at the top place :). Thanks for the help and for killing my bot so I'd be interested in learning more. -- zyx
- (Oh he may be comfortable at the top for now, but I'm determined to topple DrussGT eventually... Can't have it's reign last as long as Dookious's did... :) --Rednaxela)
- Sounds like a neat goal, good luck at it :-). -- zyx
- I've still got a few tricks up my sleeve, I just haven't had time to implement them. Involving both guns and movement. And new types of stats. But come on, I'm studying Mechanical Engineering and you're doing Computer Engineering, surely you should have passed me ages ago? ;-) And I've been hearing that you were working on RougeDC's replacement in little snippets here and there, are you ever going to release that to the rumble? -- Skilgannon
- Haha, RougeDC's younger and stronger brother doesn't have much done yet... but I'll probably make a hard drive to get at least the gun working in winter break... and my hope is that current generation surfers will be in for some hurt... ;) -- Rednaxela
Oh, and sorry for cluttering your talk page with rivalry Zyx :) --Rednaxela 21:39, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
- That's what talk pages are for ;) -- zyx
Sneak Attack
I just realized there are ways to shoot completely undetected bullets, I tried to make a bot based on that but I can't find an easy way to use the exploit and be competitive at the same time. So I decided to just post how to fire undetectable bullets, I haven't really searched, so maybe this has been said elsewhere.
I think most surfers have some way to detect (as good as they can) when their enemy hits a wall so they are not confused by that energy drop. So if you run towards a wall at some speed, let's say full speed (8), and when you are just about to hit the wall you decelerate and a fire a 1 power bullet. Your enemy will calculate your damage as 8 / 2 - 1 = 3, but you were actually going at 6 at the hit time, so you got 6 / 2 - 1 = 2 wall hit damage, but since you shot a 1 powered bullet they won't see anything strange as your energy dropped 3. And even if someone has thought of that, and took the guess that maybe the bot decelerated you can shoot only sometimes, and make him surf bogus waves.
This bot shows how to shoot the invisible bullets, it bounces on and off from the top wall (sometimes the bottom) and shoots head on, so it will lose to almost every(if not all) bots. But I challenge anyone to try and detect accurately when he fires. My bots detect some of them, but is not even close to accurate.
package zyx.nano; import robocode.AdvancedRobot; import robocode.HitWallEvent; import robocode.ScannedRobotEvent; import robocode.util.Utils; public class SneackAttack extends AdvancedRobot { static int direction = 1; private boolean nh; private int t; public void run() { while ( true ) { if ( getRadarTurnRemainingRadians() == 0 ) setTurnRadarRightRadians(Double.POSITIVE_INFINITY); execute(); } } public void onScannedRobot(ScannedRobotEvent event) { double bearing = getHeadingRadians() + event.getBearingRadians(); setTurnGunRightRadians(Utils.normalRelativeAngle(bearing - getGunHeadingRadians())); setTurnRightRadians(Utils.normalRelativeAngle(-getHeadingRadians())); setTurnRadarRightRadians(Utils.normalRelativeAngle(bearing - getRadarHeadingRadians()) * 1.99); double v = getVelocity(); if ( v < 0 ) v += 2; else if ( v > 0 ) v -= 2; double nx = getX() + Math.sin(getHeadingRadians()) * getVelocity() + Math.sin(getHeadingRadians()) * v; double ny = getY() + Math.cos(getHeadingRadians()) * getVelocity() + Math.cos(getHeadingRadians()) * v; if ( nh ) { if ( Math.random() < 0.8 ) setFire(1); setAhead(0); } else { setAhead(100 * direction); } nh = false; if ( t == 5 ) direction = -direction; if ( --t <= 0 && (nx < 19 || ny < 19 || nx > 781 || ny > 581) ) { nh = true; } } public void onHitWall(HitWallEvent arg0) { direction = -direction; t = 20; } }
Have fun. --zyx 07:13, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Haha, perfectly accurate detection is impossible. It has been discussed here (see some of ABCs notes) why one can at best guess the wall damage with an error between +0.5 and -1.0. The only possible real countermeasures I believe are: 1) Fire low-weight waves whenever the enemy hits the wall or 2) Detect if you got hit by a wallhit-concealed bullet, and if so presume they always make wallhit-concealed hits so long as gunheat indicates that they could have. A truely accurate countermeasure? That's impossible. --Rednaxela 07:25, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
- Heheh, I assumed someone realized this, that's why I said I didn't search for it (it is 3:30 am here). I thought about you 1st counter option, but I guessed it was not worth the trouble(at least not yet) since I don't see how a bot can use this and actually become strong against a top bot. My current surfing algorithm surfs fake waves when he doesn't have at least 2 real waves, I did that mostly to avoid getting in dangerous spots for a bullet that hasn't been fired yet, but I think it will dodge some of those invisible bullets. And there many more important things that can be improved still. --zyx 07:41, 18 March 2009 (UTC)