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I found recorded data, like WaveSim, still quite useful when it comes to hit adaptive movement.

The reason maybe anti-intuitive, but as long as their movement & your gun can be considered random, it’s still logical.

And although intuitively wave surfing is not random, in fact, they are. The reason is simple, non-linearity & self feedback.

They are only not random with specific information, but certainly you can’t have them for everyone.

And about genetic tuning, I think they are useful, but only after you get basic stuff right, e.g. precise intersection, using only firing waves etc.

I have a simple precise prediction but I see these kind of things more of a guaranteed improvement rather than a necessity for tuning.

What do you mean by using only firing waves?=)

I might have to move to -1 to 1 GF system rather than the current system with 51 bins.

The problem I had was after tuning against 3 Raiko micro matches I had a 0.9% improvement in TCRM but after 3 matches against 9 different surfers I had a 5% score loss.

Any attributes that help a lot against surfers?

Imo the attributes and weights for random movement and surfers may be completely different, so I just tune them completely separately.

And there are not one single magic attribute that helps a lot against random movement, so do surfers.

And you don’t expect good performance when you use virtual waves for surfers as well, since they are irrelevant.

Firing waves means only waves where there was a real bullet. Against non-adaptive movement the more waves the better, but adaptive opponents will dodge your bullets only so the other waves will give bad information.

For me what did well against adaptive movements is recording data, doing maybe 10 generations of genetic tuning, then re-recording the data.

Make sure to add the adaptive speed to your genetic parameters. You might also want to use parameters people dont surf with, I did some odd things in DrussGT.

But really, the secret to a good score is good movement.

After Xor said precise intersection I was searching for another meaning in real waves.=)

My fitness function is using the KNNPredictor class in WhiteFang so basically everything is included in the algorithm.

When I actually succeed at making robocode allow more data saving I'll move onto the recursive technic.

"But really, the secret to a good score is good movement." I know but I have been working on movement since 2.2.7.1 and I want to stop my suffering for a while. Maybe genetic algorithm against Simple Targeting strategies and for the flattener?

Edit:

After tuning with three more parameters three things happened:

• I had my AS gun outperformed my Main Gun against Shadow for the first time
• I found out that my GA always maximizes K minimizes Divisor(probably I forgot to activate bot width calculations) and minimizes shots taken.
• Manhattan distance works much better than Squared Euclidean

The random weights started out with 1542 hits.

GA got it to 1923 hits.

I made K 100, Divisor 1 and Decay 0 and hits rose up to 2086.

I used Manhattan distance and it got 2117 hits

Finally when I rolled really high and low values to 10 and 0 it got 2120 hits.

I use a patched version of robocode to allow unlimited data saving only from my data recording bot. Anyway a normal robocode with debug mode on is sufficient to do so, just wish robots in your test bed being free from file writing bugs.

Have you ever tried using k = sqrt(tree size)? This is a common practice when it comes to knn.

Thanks Xor and Skilgannon for their help.

I have collected data from 1005 battles. My GA finally gives some sensible results: Low K, Reverse wall is weighted less, high weight for acceleration etc.

Hopefully I'll get a score higher than 72.0 in TCAS this time.

WhiteFang 2.2.7.1 is the best version of WhiteFang but it had some issues and I have been trying to reproduce the results for a long time and as you can understand I couldn't match its performance.

Problem 1

I had a problem with my KNNPredictor class. As the number of K increased or sum of attributes' weights increased it would return bigger numbers which would cause my Simple predictor to have three times more effect than the Standard predictor(Normally it should have half of its effect).

Problem 2

The flattener would log real waves twice and this would decrease the number of data points I could find and weight real waves two times more.

Additional Note: When I fixed the flattener problem my score decreased.

I don't know how to solve it since Simple Formula Standard Formula and Flattener Formula has different attributes and Standard formula and Flattener Formula has 1 / (x * k + 1) type of attributes. Any solutions?

Welcome to the land of Performance Enhancing Bug! When facing things like this, there are two ways to go — leave it, or fully understand how it works and reproduce it!

It seems that you have mostly understood how the bug works, then just tweak your formula to fit the bug in!

Btw, have you ever tried putting two exactly same bot with different version, and see the score difference?

I will just be reverting back to 2.2.7.1 it with the XOR filter which doesn't log real waves twice and I will use my better firepower formula to have a better score.

I don't think putting exactly the same bot will help because no bots has been change since WhiteFang 2.2.7.1 but you may be right; my Bullet Shielding algorithm may cause extreme deviations in score.

The only purpose of putting the same bot twice with the same environment is to see how much noise there is with your testing method. Experience of improving ScalarBot told me that most of the time a small change in score is just noice; big drop is bug and big increase is new critical feature.

I will put 2.2.7.1N after 2.4.5; maybe it is just a great noise which I had been trying to pass for a long time =)

Oh, I am so dumb. It has nothing to do with my movement; 2.2.7.1 contains this line of code:

                counter++;
                if (counter == 0) {
                    possibleFuturePositions[direction + 1] = (Point2D.Double) predictedPosition.clone();
                }

Consequently it is impossible to have the future position predicted but my prediction system doesn't work so it made my scores lower =)

Anyways, thank you so much for your time and I have actually learnt a lot of things.

This is so annoying, the bug I have mentioned above is actually more sensible than "Sometimes predicting the future position correct and sometimes calculating the opposite direction" however, seems like this bug was also a Performance Enhancing bug.

I have just wondered how you normalize dangers in ScalarBot or since it's not OS what is the general way of doing it? In the latest version of WhiteFang I use

weight * MaximumPossibleDistance / (euclidean_distance + 1) / predictionNum

to have a balance between different weighting schemes and K's.

Just have a look at DrussGT and Diamond, ScalarBot uses similar formula. And most (new) bots imitate this style as well.

Make sure to use bullet damage and time-till-hit for weighting one wave vs another. Depending on the type of enemy this can make a big difference.

Thank you for your response. The weighting system I wrote above only affects the bins. Later I divide/multiply those values while choosing the best movement option since WhiteFang has a bin-based KNN Algorithm(The code base was originally designed for Neural Networks).

Actually, I have a logical mistake in my movement but I didn't fix it yet since I wanted a controlled testing environment.

Btw, in my opinion, Performance Enhancing Bugs are not bugs. They either fix another bug occasionally or fix a bug in your logic. There must be a reason behind score difference, so just respect the result.

I got RoboJogger working about 2 days ago and understood that challenges are not enough to improve WhiteFang. Since I don't have any experience about choosing robots for Test Beds I wanted to ask: How should I choose the test bed that will give me close to rumble scores?

I always got the best improvement from finding specific problem bots (look at the KNNPBI) and trying to design a specific feature that would help against the kind of behaviour they showed. Usually it involves watching a lot of battles. Test beds are only to make sure that nothing is broken against other bots when this is happening.

It is really about the size of the testbed you want. Best would be the whole rumble. Minimum is probably something that shoots HOT, something linear, something simple VCS, something simple WS + VCS, some PM, and a tough top-bot or two.

And from what I've found, fixing bugs almost always gets better results than adding features. So make sure you don't have bugs, and don't have any bad assumptions.

Thank you for your response about the test bed, I agree with the bugs part. I jumped from 28 to 26 with Bullet Shielding(2 days of coding) and 26 to 23 with a bug fix.(Stop position calculation)

I just realized I had been calculating wave locations wrong since 10 months. I think I will add "First robot to enter the top 30 with wrong wave calculations" =)