Talk:ProblemBot Challenge

Pre-Talk

I compiled a list of top problem bots based on robots in the top 100 and all robots that have at least a -10 PBI.

  24  cx.micro.Smoke 0.96
  24  stelo.MatchupMini 1.1
  23  demetrix.nano.SledgeHammer 0.22
  23  jab.micro.Sanguijuela 0.8
  22  jw.Booring 1.11
  22  radnor.RamRod 1.0
  22  mz.NanoDeath 2.56
  21  gh.micro.GrubbmThree 0.9
  21  stelo.MatchupAGF 1.1
  21  stelo.Mirror 1.1
  21  chase.pm.Pytko 1.0
  20  cx.mini.Cigaret 1.31
  20  whind.Wisdom 0.5.1
  20  sm.Devil 7.3
  20  sul.Bicephal 1.2
  20  ags.polished.PolishedRuby 1
  19  drm.CobraBora 1.12
  18  cx.Princess 1.0
  18  lazarecki.mega.PinkerStinker 0.7
  18  abc.Tron 2.02
  18  ph.musketeer.Musketeer 0.6
  18  ncj.MoxieBot 1.0
  17  DTF.Kludgy 1.2b
  17  benhorner.PureAggression 0.2.6
  17  tornyil.bottomup.BottomUp 1.05
  17  vic.Locke 0.7.5.5
  16  as.xbots 1.0
  16  bayen.UbaRamLT 1.0
  16  pi.Dark 10
  16  nat.nano.OcnirpPM 1.0
  16  dcs.PM.Eater_of_Worlds_PM 1.2
  16  tm.Yuugao 1.0
  15  bvh.fnr.Fenrir 0.36l
  15  myl.nano.Kakuru 1.20
  15  robar.nano.Prestige 1.0
  15  exauge.GateKeeper 1.1.121g
  15  apv.MicroAspid 1.8
  15  ntc.Cannon 1.12test
  15  KiraNL.Cataris 1.0
  14  cx.CigaretBH 1.03
  14  nat.nano.Ocnirp 1.73
  13  step.nanoPri 1.0
  13  arthord.MannyPacquiao Delta2
  13  darkcanuck.Pris 0.88
  13  kawigi.sbf.Teancum 1.3
  13  stelo.MirrorMicro 1.1
  13  cf.OldMan.OldManXP 0.1
  12  ph.mini.Archer 0.6.6
  12  apv.TheBrainPi 0.5fix
  12  deo.virtual.RainbowBot 1.0
  12  nat.BlackHole 2.0gamma
  12  exauge.Leopard 1.1.019
  12  dummy.mini.Parakeet 2.40
  12  dz.GalbaMini 0.121
  12  intruder.PrairieWolf 2.61
  11  tobe.Fusion 1.0
  11  bwbaugh.nano.Tirunculus 0.0.0a
  11  dam.MogBot 2.9
  11  apv.NanoLauLectrikTheCannibal 1.1
  11  dz.OthoMicro 0.12
  11  kinsen.nano.Quarrelet 1.0
  11  exauge.LemonDrop 1.6.130
  10  rcp.Kuramatron 1.0
  10  tobe.Saturn lambda
  10  povik.nano.Smilee 0.2.1
   9  sL300.Mozart life
   9  spinnercat.CopyKat 1.2.3
   9  mnt.AHEB 0.6a
   9  cs.s2.Seraphim 2.1.4
   9  css.Delitioner 0.11
   9  fushi.PvP1.PvP1 2004-02-16
   9  drm.Magazine 0.39
   9  stelo.UnfoolableNano 1.0
   9  test.Podgy 4.0
   8  tjk.deBroglie 0.66
   8  bvh.mini.Mjolnir 0.3
   8  stelo.Lifestealer 1.0
   8  nova.Snow 1.0
   8  oog.micro.MagicD3 0.41
   8  cbot.cbot.CBot 0.8
   8  rampancy.Durandal 2.2d
   8  cx.mini.BlackSwans 0.60
   7  simonton.micro.WeeklongObsession 3.4.1
   7  cx.micro.Spark 0.6
   7  demetrix.ForceMajeure 0.75
   7  synapse.rsim.GeomancyBS 0.11
   7  zeze2.OperatorZeze 1.05
   7  kenran.mega.Pantheist 1.1
   7  dz.OthoMini 0.15
   7  cx.mini.Nimrod 0.55
   6  stelo.MirrorNano 1.4
   6  qohnil.blot.BlotBot 3.61
   6  asm.Statistas 0.1
   6  KiraNL.ChupaLite 0.4
   6  emp.Yngwie 1.11
   6  dummy.micro.HummingBird 2.14
   6  stefw.Tigger 0.0.23
   6  spinnercat.Kitten 1.6
   6  darkcanuck.Gaff 1.50
   6  stelo.Spread 0.3
   6  tobe.calypso.Calypso 4.1
   6  dmp.micro.Aurora 1.41
   6  zen.Lindada 0.2
   6  stelo.RamTrackSurfer 1.2
   6  wiki.nano.RaikoNano 1.1
   6  staticline.Whiskey 0.5.3
   6  robar.nano.BlackWidow 1.3
   6  robar.micro.Kirbyi 1.0
   6  NDH.GuessFactor 1.0
   6  oog.nano.Caligula 1.15
   5  rsim.mini.BulletCatcher 0.4
   5  pez.micro.Aristocles 0.3.7
   5  rz.GlowBlowMelee 1.4
   5  mladjo.Grrrrr 0.9
   5  fnc.bandit2002.Bandit2002 4.0.2
   5  stelo.PianistNano 1.3
   5  kinsen.nano.Senticous 1.0
   5  robar.micro.Topaz 0.25
   5  kurios.DOSexe .9a
   5  jbot.Rabbit2 1.1
   5  areb.Union 1.06
   5  lrem.micro.FalseProphet Alpha
   5  mue.Hyperion 0.8
   5  gadsky.Gadsky 1.01
   4  dz.Caedo 1.4
   4  spinnercat.haiku.Refrigerator 1.1
   4  ags.rougedc.RougeDC willow
   4  rsim.micro.uCatcher 0.1
   4  synnalagma.NeuralPremier 0.51
   4  mladjo.AIR 0.7
   4  stelo.PastFuture 2.1.9
   4  apv.Aspid 1.7
   4  oog.nano.Fuatisha 1.1
   4  jcs.AutoBot 4.2.1
   4  Noran.BitchingElk 0.054
   4  axeBots.Musashi 2.18
   4  ebo.Sparse 0.02
   4  cbot.agile.Nibbler 0.2
   4  dft.Virgin 1.25
   4  KiraNL.Chupacabra 0.5
   4  pedersen.Hubris 2.4
   3  wilson.Chameleon 0.91
   3  rcb.Vanessa03 0
   3  nat.nano.OcnirpSNG 1.0b
   3  tw.Exterminator 1.0
   3  kc.serpent.WaveSerpent 2.11
   3  abc.Shadow 3.83c
   3  pe.SandboxDT 3.02
   3  whind.StrengthBee 0.6.4
   3  pez.frankie.Frankie 0.9.6.1
   3  demetrix.nano.Neutrino 0.27
   3  zyx.nano.RedBull 1.0
   3  apv.ScruchiPu 1.0
   3  rz.GlowBlowAPM 1.0
   3  bvh.mini.Wodan 0.50
   3  stelo.FretNano 1.1
   3  darkcanuck.Holden 1.13a
   3  rz.Aleph 0.34
   3  cx.Lacrimas 1.36
   3  shrub.Vapour v159
   3  non.mega.NaN 0.1
   3  Krabb.sliNk.Garm 0.9u
   3  wiki.mini.BlackDestroyer 0.9.0
   3  kc.serpent.Hydra 0.21
   3  stelo.MoojukNano 1.2
   3  kawigi.sbf.FloodHT 0.9.2
   3  ivor.prophet.Prophet 0.01
   3  voidious.Dookious 1.573c
   3  davidalves.net.DuelistMicroMkII 1.1
   2  stelo.MatchupMicro 1.2
   2  Bemo.Sweet30 1.6.1
   2  krillr.mini.JointStrike 2.0.0
   2  elloco.Kabuto 0.2r
   2  SHAM.WOW 1.4
   2  Krabb.krabby2.Krabby2 1.9o
   2  pmc.SniperBot 1.0
   2  ags.Glacier 0.2.7
   2  projectx.TestNano 1.0
   2  amk.ChumbaMini 0.2
   2  pez.mini.VertiLeach 0.4.0
   2  cjm.Che 1.2
   2  davidalves.Phoenix 1.02
   2  wiki.WaveRammer 1.0
   2  leb.ShootAnArrow 0.1
   2  stelo.MatchupWS 1.2c
   2  ph.micro.Pikeman 0.4.5
   2  abc.tron3.Tron 3.11
   2  djc.Aardvark 0.3.6
   2  usa.nano.Nemo 2.0
   2  geep.mini.GPBotB 1.1
   2  EFD.AdvancedEFD 0.4.5a
   2  amk.ChumbaWumba 0.3
   2  TJ.Exupery 1.39
   2  arthord.NanoSatanMelee Beta
   2  chase.s2.Genesis 1.1
   2  mue.Ascendant 1.2.27
   2  rz.GlowBlow 2.31
   2  zyx.mega.YersiniaPestis 3.0
   2  serenity.nonSense 1.39
   2  oog.mini.AlphaDragon 0.1
   2  gg.Wolverine 2.0
   2  am.Miedzix 3.0
   2  jaara.LambdaBot 1.1
   2  arthord.KostyaTszyu Beta2
   2  eld.Hmm 1.0
   2  muf.CrazyKitten 0.9
   2  tide.pear.Pear 0.62.1
   2  ara.Shera 0.88
   2  non.mega.NoName 0.0
   2  nat.Samekh 0.4
   2  bayen.nut.Squirrel 1.621
   2  lancel.Lynx 1.09
   2  apv.NanoLauLectrik 1.0

I then compiled the list and counted the number of duplicates. I want to make a full bot challenge against the biggest problems. Of course some robots are better/worse then others. For example, while GeomancyBS is a has more ticks against it in the problem bot list, the one thing that makes it a problem is its bullet catching, which BulletCatcher is a more pure implementation of (lacking the surfing fall back method, which is how it pushes so far higher into the ranks).

At higher rankings, targeting and dealing with common problem bots is more or less required to squeeze those few extra points out. Consider this challenge a type of edge casing after you have taken care of the main implementation (with other challenges/rumble).

— Chase-san 17:26, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Can probably get rid of the bottom 3/4 of the list except for when looking for more `pure` implementations.

Alright top of the list.

• Smoke. It has random orbitalish movement. It fires power 3 bullets always. If those hit, they will hurt. But unlikely the main reason it is a problem bot (other robots do that too).
• MatchupMini, a type of pattern matcher I assume. Not much information about this one, cannot be sure exactly what else.
  • Other pattern matchers: Pytko (My Robot! Yay! Go Pytko!), MogBot, and MatchupAGF (probably). (only the ones I am mostly sure about.)
• SledgeHammer, ram bot, nuff said. Surprisingly more of a problem bot then.
  • Other rambots: GrubbmThree, RamRod, PureAggression, UbaRamLT, NanoDeath. (only the ones I am mostly sure about.)
• Mirror, Mirror bot, again, nuff said. Uses an older version of Shadows Gun apparently. (how did he get that?)
  • Other Mirror bots: PolishedRuby, and all the others that have Mirror/Copy in their name. (go figure)
• Pris, NN bot, good against surfers (we have a challenge for that don't we?)

There are other robots there. Really interested in Tron, Princess (PM?), and MoxieBot (Bullet Shield).

If we have a challenge, probably want at least 2 or 3 of the main groups (Mirror,PM,Ram) and a few of the more unique robots (BulletCatcher,Pris,etc)

— Chase-san 17:45, 3 August 2011 (UTC)