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01:55, 11 May 2013 Rednaxela (talk | contribs) New reply created (Reply to Update problems)
01:53, 11 May 2013 Rednaxela (talk | contribs) New reply created (Reply to Update problems)
23:58, 10 May 2013 Chase-san (talk | contribs) New reply created (Reply to Update problems)
23:50, 10 May 2013 Rednaxela (talk | contribs) New reply created (Reply to Update problems)
23:42, 10 May 2013 Chase-san (talk | contribs) New reply created (Reply to Update problems)
22:57, 10 May 2013 Rednaxela (talk | contribs) New reply created (Reply to Update problems)
21:50, 10 May 2013 Chase-san (talk | contribs) New reply created (Reply to Update problems)
17:51, 10 May 2013 Sheldor (talk | contribs) Comment text edited (Fixing a minor grammatical error.)
17:48, 10 May 2013 Sheldor (talk | contribs) New reply created (Reply to Update problems)
16:55, 10 May 2013 Skilgannon (talk | contribs) New reply created (Reply to Update problems)
16:50, 10 May 2013 Voidious (talk | contribs) New reply created (Reply to Update problems)
14:04, 10 May 2013 Rednaxela (talk | contribs) New reply created (Reply to Update problems)
13:14, 10 May 2013 Chase-san (talk | contribs) New reply created (Reply to Update problems)
09:51, 10 May 2013 Skilgannon (talk | contribs) New reply created (Reply to Update problems)
04:35, 10 May 2013 Rednaxela (talk | contribs) New reply created (Reply to Update problems)
03:48, 10 May 2013 Chase-san (talk | contribs) New reply created (Reply to Update problems)
03:25, 10 May 2013 Rednaxela (talk | contribs) New reply created (Reply to Update problems)
02:49, 10 May 2013 Rednaxela (talk | contribs) Comment text edited  
02:45, 10 May 2013 Rednaxela (talk | contribs) New reply created (Reply to Update problems)
02:24, 10 May 2013 Skilgannon (talk | contribs) New reply created (Reply to Update problems)
00:17, 10 May 2013 Chase-san (talk | contribs) New reply created (Reply to Update problems)
21:28, 9 May 2013 Sheldor (talk | contribs) New reply created (Reply to Update problems)
20:43, 9 May 2013 Voidious (talk | contribs) New reply created (Reply to Update problems)
20:42, 9 May 2013 Skilgannon (talk | contribs) New thread created  

Update problems

I've got the following major issues:

  • In LiquidThreads, when I type a reply the spinning loading icon never goes away, and the shortcuts at the top never load.
  • When I try to edit the RoboRumble/Participants page it tells me that the server did not receive some of the message and that I should confirm the edits, but it shows me an empty box instead of all the participants data.

These behaviours are seen on both Firefox 21 b6 and Chrome 26.0. I've cleared cache and done a hard reload in both.

Is anybody seeing these?

Skilgannon (talk)20:42, 9 May 2013

Yeah, LiquidThreads spinners all over the place for me. I haven't tried editing the participants list but that seems pretty high priority. Hrm..

Voidious (talk)20:43, 9 May 2013
 

I'm definitely noticing the first problem. I haven't yet tried editing the participants page.

Sheldor (talk)21:28, 9 May 2013
 

We seem to be getting a lot of user registrations, did the update break some of the blockers?

Chase00:17, 10 May 2013

Yeah, Rednaxela had some custom things in that got broken. He's working on it now.

Skilgannon (talk)02:24, 10 May 2013
 

Yeah, the update removed the Math extension which used to be part of the core of MediaWiki, but got moved into an extension. This broke some pages, and also broke the extra math question I added in added to the reCaptcha check. (Besides the extra math question, my modifications also included a "same IP address as received the captcha must solve it" check, which based on server logs was very effective)

Due to the error that was happening on the new user creation page, Voidious reverted back to the traditional reCaptcha extension temporarily, which let that flood of bots register.

Gladly, the custom extension I added which disallows accounts less than 24 hours old inserting external links was still intact after the upgrade, and appears to have foiled those spambots.

Also, I've now reinstalled the Math extension, both fixing some wiki pages and making my modified captcha checker work again, so all should be well now :)

Rednaxela (talk)02:45, 10 May 2013

Good to know. On that point though, I still think KittenAuth/Asirra would be a good auth system (and has nothing to do with me liking kittens, honest).

Chase03:48, 10 May 2013

Asirra was mentioned in some emails that went around. I don't think Asirra is fundamentally any better than reCaptcha for the main problem. I suspect there's a high probability that rather than pure computer-based bots, the reCaptcha system was being broken by a Mechanical Turk style system that farmed the captcha breaking task out to humans. From what I understand that is common these days. Asirra is equally vulnerable to that technique. Assuming that is the case, the reason my modifications help, would be that rather than preventing the captcha-breaking itself, they make it incompatible with some automation systems used to farm out captcha breaking. I have nothing against using Asirra if people want to switch it to that instead of reCaptcha, but at least in theory I doubt Asirra vs reCaptcha makes much of a difference.

Rednaxela (talk)04:35, 10 May 2013

Well fair, I do know Asirra is much more difficult to break then reCaptcha for computers. It might also be easier for humans to do as well ( a few clicks instead of the need to type). It could replace the two captcha systems with one (math+reCaptcha with Asirra).

But I am not going to push the topic if no one else thinks it is a good idea. I do not know the compatibility or reliability of the system, and there is always the ever present "don't fix what isn't broken" mantra as well.

Chase13:14, 10 May 2013
 
 
 
 

A quick update regarding the RoboRumble/Participants issue: I've confirmed it's definitely related to the total size of the page. I see the error if I click preview there normally, but I don't see the error if I delete half the content of the text box before hitting preview. I don't know why it only started happening after the update though, or what a good fix would be.

Rednaxela (talk)03:25, 10 May 2013

Participants issue is fixed, but the spinners persist!

Skilgannon (talk)09:51, 10 May 2013
 

Testing to see if the infinite spinning icon is fixed...

Rednaxela (talk)01:53, 11 May 2013

Yep! It's now fixed!

When the infinite spinning icon thing was happening, I checked in the browser for javascript errors. Sure enough, there was an "ext.WikiEditor" error. I looked around, and tried installing the WikiEditor extension, and it fixed the infinite spinning circle issue. It seems that the version of LiquidThreads we got in the update depends on the WikiEditor extension.

Rednaxela (talk)01:55, 11 May 2013