Talk:Gilgalad/Version History

So, the best version that i ever had was 1.95, by a fairly large margin. In 1.96, I fixed a bug where I had accidentally had the flattener on for any bot hitting me more than (normalizedProbability-0.045) which happens with way more bots than a flattener would usually be used for (it corresponds to roughly a 7% hit rate). Is it possible that the flattener helps?

I think there's only one way to find out. :-) Try lowering the threshold?

But I'd say it largely depends on how heavily your flattener is weighted, how your hit percentage is normalized, and so on. A 7% hit rate might be low but it really depends on the distance and bullet power, so I'd have to see how you're normalizing it to say.

Diamond's main flattener is enabled at hit rate = 5.9%, normalized to precise escape angle = 0.98 and precise bot width of 0.1 radians, which is something like bullet power = 2 and distance = 500. I also found a little bit of improvement with another lower weighted flattener enabled at half that hit percentage. So maybe that can give you a ballpark idea of how high/low your threshold is compared to mine, which I think is pretty well tuned. I also add a margin of error based on number of shots, like they use to calculate margin of error in election polling, which lets me set it as low as possible without much risk. (So it's only really 5.9 after a lot of shots, early on it's quite a bit higher.)

Another thought is don't be afraid to just re-release 1.95 as 1.95b. There could have been some weird battles or something and you are just chasing shadows - I've definitely had that happen.

Well, the re-release is showing that 1.95 really was the strongest by a large margin. When I said I had the flattener on, I was actually being imprecise, what I had was one of my "semi-advanced" classifiers being trained with visits and hits and one of my flatteners being trained with only hits. Regardless, I ran some tests this morning that show 1.99.5's gun as being weaker than 1.95. I had previously spent all my time searching for something i broke in the movement when I "fixed" the gun, but I guess I broke something in the gun instead...

My changes to the gun (from Gilgalad's targeting strategy page): Version 1.99.4 is, I think, the first robot to handle virtual waves exactly. After a real wave is fired, the virtuality and bullet power attributes for the real waves are set. Bullet power is a weighted average of the two real waves around the virtual waves (in terms of time). At training time, the waves play through a log of positions with the new bullet power. Attributes, which can depend on bullet power, are calculated only when training and aiming (aiming uses the estimated bullet power).

That should only improve the accuracy if done correctly, right?

So you have two attributes, virtuality and bullet power. Virtuality is 0 at fire time and scales linearly to 1 halfway between firing bullets? If so, I certainly agree with that and it's what I do in Diamond.

And bullet power is average of the two firing waves. I'm not sure about that part. The enemy hasn't seen the second wave's bullet power until it's fired, so how could it be an input to predict his movement before then? Or if you're looking at it as both bullets being in the air during flight time, shouldn't it instead be the weighted average of all bullets in the air over the course of the bullet's flight time? (And FWIW, I barely weight bullet power as an attribute and it's a pretty recent addition.)

I definitely think virtuality is the right way to handle gun heat as an attribute, but I haven't really proven it outperforms other approaches in KNN guns.

Well, the bullet power interpolation is based on the same idea as virtuality. If the enemy reacts to my firing of bullets in a way that depends on bullet power, then I assume their movement between waves gives information that is relevant to firing (if I didn't make this assumption, I wouldn't use non-firing waves). So the question is what relation does the supposed bullet power of the virtual wave have to the real waves. I assume that the closer it is the the real wave, the more similar the supposed power should be to that real wave. This is mostly based on the assumption that they move with a raiko like movement (random chance of changing directions every turn). If this is true, they react to the most recent bullet power whenever a new bullet is fired, but the approximation I chose was assuming the virtual waves were linearly scaled between the two surrounding real waves. Two things to note:

1) I don't just use this for the bullet power attribute, I use it for everything dependent on bullet power (bullet flight time, wall distance, etc.)

2) I added this feature when I added had a bullet power selection function that often changed radically between two shots.

Hmm, I don't know, I just really don't. And the wave speed changes with bullet power too, right? I can think of a few issues to consider.

One is that this sort of double penalizes non-firing waves. It's true that a non-firing wave might capture the wrong bullet power (input) to the firing angle (output) that it yields. But we're already weighting against this data with the high virtuality, because it is fuzzier and semi-duplicate data. Does further modification of the virtual wave data screw up how much we're weighting against non-firing waves with virtuality?

I've had some counter-intuitive results come up with wave bullet powers / speeds. For instance, against bots that don't react to bullet fire, shouldn't you be able to fire waves at every bullet power you might use, and always aim based on waves collected with the correct bullet power? My tests with stuff like this never pan out. I feel like aiming with any bullet power other than what you're really using is bad news. So if you're switching between power=1.9 and 3.0, you might end up capturing a lot of power=2.5 waves that are less useful than either of the other two.

I think it's a good idea, but I can't say for sure I think it's a slam dunk, I just think you'd need to run a lot of tests to really be sure. This does strike me as the kind of stuff we'll have to explore to further improve how we classify data in Robocode.

Well, firing waves at every bullet power you might use is very similar to PIF... However, notice that they could be indirectly reacting to fire power by doing something like changing directions randomly every time a bullet is fired (and bullets are fired more frequently at lower powers). If a robot just had a threshold for changing direction and evaluated that every turn, regardless of bullet fire, I would expect firing multiple bullets at different powers to be effective, but probably not worth the extra CPU.

Also, about testing this, a targeting challenge doesn't really work since the bullet power is almost always 3. I could run a TC with a bullet selection algorithm, but that leaves the choice of which one. Which is complicated since the main advantage of this new idea is that it should minimize the penalty for radically switching bullet power. So if i don't do that it is sort of pointless, but the other algorithm isn't designed for that, so an increased score could just come from better bullet power or a broken approach...

In short: what bullet power selection should I test this with?

Congrats on a huge jump into the #3 slot! You ever gonna divulge your changes? Inquiring minds want to know. =)

Looking at the score diff, I see a large improvement against mid-weight surfers. So my bet is on an improved anti-surfer gun + misc tweaks.

I have been kind of busy with starting college, but I'll update the version history soon. I think the biggest improvement comes from changing my kernel density function for surfing. I used to use the normal distribution, I now use 1 / (x^2 +1). The integral is atan so this seemed to also be a speed increase.

Congrats:) I was sure, that Tomcat have strong safety area... Unfortunately (for me of course) i have no time for robocoding until new year, so you have no opponents in battle for third place now:) And if you will take part in race for crown, you will be my new favorite (until ConceptA grow to this race, for sure) :)

Thanks. Tomcat has been my second favorite bot for a while, due to all of the unique features and cool graphics, and I hope I will be able to get to first eventually. I'm not sure how much robocode I will actually be able to do in college, but I just noticed that my antisurfer gun never seems to be the best gun choice, so I should be able to make some large improvements there...

I don't want to be a bad influence or anything, but it seems like some of the most active Robocoding in history has happened during people's college years. =) I know that's when I got hooked and wrote Dookious, and I think David Alves with both Duelist and Phoenix, and our current illustrious King... But, by all means, try and focus on school. =)

Yeah, during my undergrad I always found that I got the most Robocoding done during exam periods - something I could sort-of convince myself didn't count as play, but was much more interesting than studying =) I wonder if that's been the motivation others have had as well...

Hey, looks like i must to come back from my rest with Tomcat!:) v 1.3 results isn't stable yet, but yours rate with Gilgalad is very impressive:)

Ouch, suddenly 1 full APS point ahead . . . I want to return to the top-10 ! Really nice work though.

Wow, up to #22 and hot on the heels of CassiusClay - nice work! Welcome back. =)

Thanks.

Wow. Nice work. You may have just tempted me to spend some time on my next update, as you are defeating XanderCat now. :-) Actually, I don't mind you besting my bot, but I would really like to get the edge on Shadow, Pris and Dookious. I've just been busy with Skyrim lately.